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Donkey Kong Country 3 Beta Research & Discussion Topic

Postby Markster » June 17th, 2011, 8:43 am

In Vol 88 of Nintendo Power, there is some beta shots of DKC3, originally swanky from DKC3 was going to have his DKC2 graphic, pretty cool eh, and the clouds of the Lakeside levels look different, want to look at them yourself, well check the upload attachment.
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements

Postby Markster » June 18th, 2011, 4:40 am

Update!

I found a ton more!
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements

Postby Tiptup Jr. » June 18th, 2011, 11:59 am

WTF IS THAT LAST ONE? Like... seriously!
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements

Postby Markster » June 18th, 2011, 12:05 pm

The last one seems to be a enemy or boss i have never seen in the game before, kind of like the Mr. X DKC2 theory.

Edit : If you meen the one at the main top well thats a beta enemy graphic, you can see it at the back of the box of DKC3.
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements

Postby Phyreburnz » June 19th, 2011, 1:25 am

When I looked at that last one, I immediately thought: Kaos. Maybe that's supposed to be a different version of Kaos?
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements

Postby Krow111 » September 6th, 2011, 1:31 pm

I was looking around and found this image of what appears to be a manual for a Japanese DKC3 toy set. The thing that interested me was the TNT Knocka render next to Baron K. Roolenstein.
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements

Postby Mattrizzle » September 6th, 2011, 3:02 pm

Here's something else I recently discovered. Open the U version ROM in a hex editor and go to C856 (this is in the middle of the cast list text for the ending). Right there in ASCII you should see KRACKA. Judging from its location (right after Knocka's name), this appears to be the official name for the TNT Knocka!
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements

Postby Krow111 » September 26th, 2011, 12:26 pm

I was scanning the Nintendo Player's Guide for DKC3 and found this image:
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Isn't that strange? If you notice, KAOS' first head is there, even though it was destroyed in Mekanos. So, maybe it wasn't going to be destroyed there and maybe KAOS would have been an actual full length boss?
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements

Postby Markster » September 26th, 2011, 12:35 pm

Interesting, what exact guide did you find this from, and are there more weird beta stuff too?
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements

Postby Krow111 » September 26th, 2011, 1:16 pm

I found it in the Nintendo Player's Guide (as I said above) and no, I didn't find anything else yet.
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements

Postby Markster » September 26th, 2011, 1:30 pm

My bad :oops:
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And also, I wonder if an actual prototype of DKC3 exist somewhere in this world.
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements

Postby Markster » November 26th, 2011, 3:29 am

Here are some differences I found in the DKC3 Brazilian commercial, I found a lot of differences that you did not know about, I examined the final release to the beta release and here are the differences.
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1 : The sub name is called Dixie's Double Trouble instead of Dixie Kong's Double Trouble.
2 : In the arich boss, the right branch is missing on the tree.
3 : On the bonus level "Swanky's Showdown", the point system is gone.
4 : The Brother Bears look different.
5 : Some of the tools in the green tool box in the scenery of Funky's Rentals are missing.
6 : Funky has his DKC2 sprite.
7 : The map screen is majorly alternated.
8 : Sneeks are neeks.
9 : The sky in Lakeside Limbo are alternated.
10 : In Lakeside Limbo, there is a buzz and the bananas said "Y", plus there is a steel keg.
11 : Ellie is in a snow level.
12 : There is no Green to Red thing showing that the door is opened.
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements

Postby The Guy » November 26th, 2011, 5:03 am

As for the last thing (the robot) in the second post, it might be Krosshair as theorized by some.
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements

Postby Lanky Kong » March 18th, 2012, 12:29 pm

Someone look for this?

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Bazza was going to look as a blue eel-like creature. Oddly, this screenshot was featured on the game's box!
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements

Postby The Banana Bird » April 11th, 2012, 12:16 pm

An eel? Is he already because it just looks recolored, not different.
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements

Postby Markster » August 3rd, 2012, 8:22 am

I found something interesting with Funky's Rentals in DKC3 beta.

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The green tool box had 3 tools, not just one, and Funky Kong has his DKC2 sprite?

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Edit : There is quite a lot of differences in Funky's Rentals than just a toolbox.
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements

Postby Katastrophe Kong » August 3rd, 2012, 9:34 am

Markster wrote:The green tool box had 3 tools, not just one, and Funky Kong has his DKC2 sprite?

Good find. I definitely would not have noticed the toolbox thing.

I was reading scans I had for promoting Donkey Kong Country 3 in the days of pre-release and I've noticed a few things:

One magazine lists the appearance of a "mystery Kong" to appear alongside Swanky, Cranky, and Funky. Though it might just've been Wrinkly they're talking about, I don't think fans would've exactly squealed in delight at the sound of her name.

The same magazine says "Cranky will be on hand to help our hairy heroes". All he does in-game, however, is act as an opponent in Swanky's Sideshow.

It also talks about "Krem Robots". The Krem Robots might've been Krack-Shot, though you don't actually see him (maybe you do in the earlier builds).

There's a mention of enemies being buffed up mentally with better A.I. and that some enemies will track you during battle, definitely KAOS and Krack-Shot. Would other enemies receive and A.I. boost rather than just repeated patterns of attack?

The description of Nibbla says "Try tossing him a Kremling snack or two". I love the idea of feeding enemies to monsters :twisted: . It reminds me of Munch's Oddysee. Maybe you would've been able to trick Kremlings into the water and watch them be attacked by Nibbla.

There's the pictures of Bazza as an eel and Swanky from Donkey Kong Country 2 also.
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements

Postby Geno » August 4th, 2012, 10:07 pm

Hey, It'd be cool if you'd post those scans, so we could see them!
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements

Postby Katastrophe Kong » August 5th, 2012, 1:26 am

geno wrote:Hey, It'd be cool if you'd post those scans, so we could see them!

I will as soon as I get to my desktop. The resolution is pretty small on all of them so you'll really have to look hard to read what they say :|

I got them from TheMarioBros.net

EDIT: Here they are.
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements

Postby Markster » September 22nd, 2012, 4:03 am

Attention!
A DKC3 prototype has been sold a month ago to someone anonymous, but I have heard nothing about it so far. :dixiecry:
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http://www.nintendoage.com/auth/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=29&threadid=81498
The prototype seems to say "DKC3 USA" on the chips, it must be an American prototype or something.

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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements/DKC3 Prototype Sold

Postby Gaz » September 22nd, 2012, 9:29 am

YESH! I feel a prototype leak!
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements/DKC3 Prototype Sold

Postby Katastrophe Kong » September 22nd, 2012, 10:24 am

I hate selfish collectors.

We're definitely not going to be getting this anytime soon. I hope it isn't a bust like that Donkey Kong Country "prototype".
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements/DKC3 Prototype Sold

Postby Gaz » September 22nd, 2012, 10:31 am

I misjudged Torrentstorm of RWC as a selfish collector, but apparently, I haven't know that much about him.

Oh, and why's this collector selfish? He said he is giving it to a friend of his.
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements/DKC3 Prototype Sold

Postby Markster » September 22nd, 2012, 10:38 am

His friend must be selfish, it's been over a month, and no update on this DKC3 prototype, I wish Mattrizzle or SNES Central would of got a hold of this prototype. :angry:
No offense to him or his friend.
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements/DKC3 Prototype Sold

Postby Gaz » September 22nd, 2012, 10:44 am

Mattrizzle, oh he would really be the best guy for the prototype you know. HE fits all the qualities and has been the best beta researcher on EARTH!
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Re: Donkey Kong Country 3 Beta Research Topic

Postby Markster » September 22nd, 2012, 10:53 am

I agree, and if SNESCentral would of got a hold of the prototype, they would of uploaded it to there website.
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Re: Donkey Kong Country 3 Beta Research Topic

Postby Gaz » September 22nd, 2012, 10:57 am

Actually, the prototype might be a fake. The friend hasn't come back with any information and anyone could dismantle a cartridge and write DKC3 USA on it with a label. Maybe it's a fake ( :o ). Also, SNES Central is posting new SNES prototypes really quickly (seriously!), look at the front page.
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Re: Donkey Kong Country 3 Beta Research Topic

Postby Markster » September 22nd, 2012, 11:07 am

Here's an example of a fake DKC3 prototype. : http://dkc-atlas.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=26228#p26228

It could be fake, you never know, look how easily I done a fake.
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Re: More DKC3 Beta Elements/DKC3 Prototype Sold

Postby Mattrizzle » September 22nd, 2012, 12:31 pm

Conker's Bad Fur Day wrote:HE fits all the qualities

Having tons of money to throw around certainly isn't one of them :facepalm:
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Re: Donkey Kong Country 3 Beta Research Topic

Postby Katastrophe Kong » September 22nd, 2012, 1:44 pm

Not that important but in the manual all the shots of the stilt levels have those weird skies.
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Re: Donkey Kong Country 3 Beta Research Topic

Postby Markster » September 22nd, 2012, 3:31 pm

I noticed that, in DKC2, I found out that the unused palette in SDK2 was used for the Mainbrace levels in the beta, I used it and it worked, I'm going to look through the DKC3 ROM for the weird clouds, because if they where in the manual, they must not be too old to be overwritten.
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Re: Donkey Kong Country 3 Beta Research Topic

Postby Katastrophe Kong » September 23rd, 2012, 1:09 am

Blizzard looks like a Cardboard cut out. Or maybe a zombie.

The manual sucks compared to the others. You can tell they totally rushed this game.
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Re: Donkey Kong Country 3 Beta Research Topic

Postby Markster » September 23rd, 2012, 8:14 am

It turns out badinsults (the guy who found the DKC competition beta) knows about the prototype.
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Re: Donkey Kong Country 3 Beta Research Topic

Postby Gaz » September 23rd, 2012, 8:16 am

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:evil: . Why? Stupid friend of his (yeah, I'm named after an Invader ZIM episode on NintendoAge.)

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Re: Donkey Kong Country 3 Beta Research Topic

Postby Mattrizzle » September 23rd, 2012, 8:33 am

Some mockups I created using stills from the Brazilian TV ad and graphics from the final version:
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The palette used in Barrel Shield Bust-Up appears to be the best match for the proto Arich's Ambush. Also, notice that Arich's head and front legs were remodeled for the final version. Dixie seems to be frozen in place in the video, as she just stands there, blowing her bubble gum.

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In Blizzard's Basecamp, background graphics are the same between this build and the final version, only the placement of the layers are different (the cabin is placed 8 pixels higher in the final; the barrels do not change) In the final version, it's impossible to get Dixie and Kiddy to display those sprites in the exact location they're in. When Kiddy first displays this walking frame, he is much closer to the doorway than this. By the second time, he is closer to the counter and Dixie has already stopped walking.
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Re: Donkey Kong Country 3 Beta Research Topic

Postby Katastrophe Kong » September 23rd, 2012, 9:33 am

Conker's Bad Fur Day wrote: :evil: . Why? Stupid friend of his.

I agree with you on this one.

Why are people so discreet about prototypes? Why can't they just share them? It's a game. The world would not go into a social upheaval if people just bothered to share the games.
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Re: Donkey Kong Country 3 Beta Research Topic

Postby Markster » September 23rd, 2012, 10:35 am

:rant: If I had a DKC3 prototype, I would share it, I don't know why Zak's friend can't just share the ultra rare DKC3 prototype, he would make all of us beta researchers happy, but instead, he's selfish and just keeps it only for himself and doesn't dump it, one time, someone found a Super Mario Kart beta, and guess what, he did not dump it, that was back in 2006, till this day, that prototype was never dumped.
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Re: Donkey Kong Country 3 Beta Research Topic

Postby Gaz » September 23rd, 2012, 10:36 am

That idiot friend of his... We need to get the ROM somehow, yes? And, SMK was owned by van_halen, correct? If prototypes are found, dump them (or else your precious DKC3 prototype will suffer from bitrot, Zak's friend!)
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Re: Donkey Kong Country 3 Beta Research Topic

Postby Markster » September 23rd, 2012, 10:45 am

If you dump a beta and it breaks, you have a backup, if you don't dump it and it breaks, your effed, if I found a DKC3 prototype in the middle of nowhere, I would pick it up, buy a SNES game adapter for PC, dump it, and send it to SNESCentral, they would put it up on there website.
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Re: Donkey Kong Country 3 Beta Research Topic

Postby Gaz » September 23rd, 2012, 10:46 am

I know, convince Zak to give the prototype a dump.
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Re: Donkey Kong Country 3 Beta Research Topic

Postby Markster » September 23rd, 2012, 10:48 am

We need that prototype dumped! (Also, I don't hate Zak's friend, but he really needs to dump his DKC3.)
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Re: Donkey Kong Country 3 Beta Research Topic

Postby Gaz » September 23rd, 2012, 10:50 am

Agreed. Should we move this to Random Thoughts?
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Re: Donkey Kong Country 3 Beta Research Topic

Postby Markster » September 23rd, 2012, 11:01 am

No thanks, I'll keep it on DKC3 Beta Research Topic, do you think that Zak's friend will EVER give a dump of the DKC3 beta anytime in the future?
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Re: Donkey Kong Country 3 Beta Research Topic

Postby Markster » September 23rd, 2012, 11:03 am

Send it to him as soon as possible.
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Re: Donkey Kong Country 3 Beta Research & Discussion Topic

Postby Markster » September 24th, 2012, 7:17 am

Good, he needs to know.
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Also, I found out something again.
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In the beta versions, Dixie and/or Kiddy stands in a different position than the final version, and I can't really tell if the late beta has all 3 tools, I can barely see the red tool, and I can't see the blue one at all, I think it's because of the darkness, but in the early beta, there is only one tool, and Funky is still a California surfer.
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Re: Donkey Kong Country 3 Beta Research & Discussion Topic

Postby Katastrophe Kong » September 24th, 2012, 7:20 am

lol, is Dixie standing further away because of something Funky did?

"Y'know, they don't call me a 'grease monkey' for nothing..."

Good thing Wrinkly lives right next door.
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Re: Donkey Kong Country 3 Beta Research & Discussion Topic

Postby Markster » September 24th, 2012, 7:25 am

Katastrophe Kong wrote:"Y'know, they don't call me a 'grease monkey' for nothing..."

:lol:
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Also, cross your fingers, Conker's Bad Fur Day sent Zak a message about bit-rotting, he might be able to convince his friend into ripping the ROM, and hopefully send the dump to SNESCentral, probably not though. :kiddysad:
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